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		<title>Comment on Is the Constitution dead? by loggie20</title>
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		<dc:creator>loggie20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two year rule may be behind the authorization bill being separate from the appropriations bills, I don't know for sure.

The wording for the navy is "maintain" a navy.

Which suggests the framers were unaware of the Roman approach to navies which was to build a new one for each of the 3 Punic Wars, and the expedition against the pirates in the 50's BC.

Until the empire the Romans maintained a class of warriors and raised legions for Hannibal and Spartacus.  Cincinnatus was a reservist!

However, England, France, Spain and Holland all maintained navies during the age of exploration.</description>
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<p>The wording for the navy is &#8220;maintain&#8221; a navy.</p>
<p>Which suggests the framers were unaware of the Roman approach to navies which was to build a new one for each of the 3 Punic Wars, and the expedition against the pirates in the 50&#8217;s BC.</p>
<p>Until the empire the Romans maintained a class of warriors and raised legions for Hannibal and Spartacus.  Cincinnatus was a reservist!</p>
<p>However, England, France, Spain and Holland all maintained navies during the age of exploration.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On War #310: One Step Forward, One Step Back by EmeryNelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>EmeryNelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If our infantry hits any opposition, tough or otherwise, calling in air is a cultural imperative. To ask them to use other methods is akin to asking them not to drink alcohol. It may be possible in theory, but as long as attack aircraft fly, this will be the solution. Of course with the economy getting ready to go toes up attack aircraft may not fly, so it's not completely hopeless. 

Bill Lind needs to be commended for being one of about five people in the US who actually understand our enemy. He's to be castigated for thinking that the Marines (a closed loop if ever there was one) is going to do anything but look in the mirror for solutions. It's (bitterly) amusing that the Marines still insist on massive amounts of press for all their operations. In this kind of war the more press they get the more enemies they create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If our infantry hits any opposition, tough or otherwise, calling in air is a cultural imperative. To ask them to use other methods is akin to asking them not to drink alcohol. It may be possible in theory, but as long as attack aircraft fly, this will be the solution. Of course with the economy getting ready to go toes up attack aircraft may not fly, so it&#8217;s not completely hopeless. </p>
<p>Bill Lind needs to be commended for being one of about five people in the US who actually understand our enemy. He&#8217;s to be castigated for thinking that the Marines (a closed loop if ever there was one) is going to do anything but look in the mirror for solutions. It&#8217;s (bitterly) amusing that the Marines still insist on massive amounts of press for all their operations. In this kind of war the more press they get the more enemies they create.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is the Constitution dead? by loggie20</title>
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		<dc:creator>loggie20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a safe guard in the UCMJ (congress does this in law) against officers uttering treasonous remarks about high officials usurping the constitution.

I left active duty in the early 80's.

Stayed in the reserve because I could be useful if the big war came.  And the pension, too.  There were a lot of guys in reserve who wanted to serve but not to be self serving.

I left in part because the officer corps was not focused.  Careerism was rampant even before the Soviets collapsed.

The calling was no longer worthy to be called the "service" and the appellation "hey, GI", no longer fit the officer and much of the NCO ranks.

There were huge numbers of officers who should have lead but left because it was too political, too me first, too one mistake, too image only.

No one proposed the officer corps as the guardians of the constitution.

That is why there is a second amendment and there is only supposed to be a 2 year limit on raising an army.  The national guard was to the guarantor of the Union.

There is no obey clause in the officers' oath.

&lt;em&gt;[CR:  Thanks much.  Most US citizens do not appear to be aware of the 2-year restriction on funding an army, which appears in Article I, Section 8 &#8211; language not applied to the Navy.]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a safe guard in the UCMJ (congress does this in law) against officers uttering treasonous remarks about high officials usurping the constitution.</p>
<p>I left active duty in the early 80&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Stayed in the reserve because I could be useful if the big war came.  And the pension, too.  There were a lot of guys in reserve who wanted to serve but not to be self serving.</p>
<p>I left in part because the officer corps was not focused.  Careerism was rampant even before the Soviets collapsed.</p>
<p>The calling was no longer worthy to be called the &#8220;service&#8221; and the appellation &#8220;hey, GI&#8221;, no longer fit the officer and much of the NCO ranks.</p>
<p>There were huge numbers of officers who should have lead but left because it was too political, too me first, too one mistake, too image only.</p>
<p>No one proposed the officer corps as the guardians of the constitution.</p>
<p>That is why there is a second amendment and there is only supposed to be a 2 year limit on raising an army.  The national guard was to the guarantor of the Union.</p>
<p>There is no obey clause in the officers&#8217; oath.</p>
<p><em>[CR:  Thanks much.  Most US citizens do not appear to be aware of the 2-year restriction on funding an army, which appears in Article I, Section 8 &ndash; language not applied to the Navy.]</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Is the Constitution dead? by Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>" I did retire, but it was because I had reached my mandatory separation date, in my case, at 30 years commissioned service"

It's a very good thing for all of us Chet,  that you have the time
and resourches to devote to and continue to lead this following.

Max</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I did retire, but it was because I had reached my mandatory separation date, in my case, at 30 years commissioned service&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very good thing for all of us Chet,  that you have the time<br />
and resourches to devote to and continue to lead this following.</p>
<p>Max</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is the Constitution dead? by JRBehrman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Not Dead Yet!&lt;/b&gt;

Support for and understanding of the US and state constitutions has never been all that consistent from legal or other learned elites here, much less from the electorate as a whole. Indeed, the Anglo-American overclass (M. Lind, K. Philips) was factious from the outset, arguably treasonous, with the &lt;i&gt;soi-disant&lt;/i&gt; "Federalists" never truly embracing the &lt;i&gt;Bill of Rights&lt;/i&gt;.

Besides the Slavery Question, the legal and learned elites never quite managed to realize a Swiss-Roman well regulated &lt;i&gt;militia&lt;/i&gt; coterminous with universal &lt;i&gt;suffrage&lt;/i&gt; or even to keep from "quartering" long-term hire regulars based on voluntary or involuntary arrangements with a propertied or virtually titled class.

There has also been a less than consistent anti-Federalist and usually more patriotic or just popular tradition of constitutionalism. Hopefully, both together amount to some sort of American "genius" to explain how, despite the tenuous nature of the words, some sort of constitution still stands, like the "Star Spangled Banner" itself. And, so, I agree ...

"We are America.  We are strong because of our ability to act together, to produce and follow leaders.  We are strong due to our openness to other cultures and ability to assimilate their best aspects.  We are strong due to our ability to adapt to new circumstances, to roll with defeat and carry on.  We will be what we want to be.  The coming years will reveal what that is."

"Fuck, yeah!"

Here are two challenges the genius of American constitutionalism must overcome:

&lt;b&gt;Restoring balance and modesty between three engorged branches of the federal government:&lt;/b&gt; I think that President Obama is doing that with a degree of patience some on his left find frustrating but that I consider astute, especially in its distinctly military dimension.

&lt;b&gt;Re-scaling public and private enterprise to reflect micro-economic realities and modular technologies:&lt;/b&gt; This will take a very different financial regime and industrial policy from those that the Anglo-American overclass and the Soviet &lt;i&gt;nomenklatura&lt;/i&gt; "converged" on during the Great, World, and Cold Wars. My party is uniquely qualified to do this today, but I doubt that my generation of Democrats is up to the task.

Finally, let me say I very much appreciate contributions in the Boyd tradition and other even more timely insights uniquely available on D-N-I, thanks to Chet, MaxFab, and that Hohenzollern/Hapsburg guy-who-does-not-read-email. 

John Robert BEHRMAN
State Committeeman, SD-13
Texas Democratic Party
&lt;em&gt;
[CR:  John -- many thanks!  I'm not nearly as optimistic, so I sincerely hope you are right.]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Not Dead Yet!</b></p>
<p>Support for and understanding of the US and state constitutions has never been all that consistent from legal or other learned elites here, much less from the electorate as a whole. Indeed, the Anglo-American overclass (M. Lind, K. Philips) was factious from the outset, arguably treasonous, with the <i>soi-disant</i> &#8220;Federalists&#8221; never truly embracing the <i>Bill of Rights</i>.</p>
<p>Besides the Slavery Question, the legal and learned elites never quite managed to realize a Swiss-Roman well regulated <i>militia</i> coterminous with universal <i>suffrage</i> or even to keep from &#8220;quartering&#8221; long-term hire regulars based on voluntary or involuntary arrangements with a propertied or virtually titled class.</p>
<p>There has also been a less than consistent anti-Federalist and usually more patriotic or just popular tradition of constitutionalism. Hopefully, both together amount to some sort of American &#8220;genius&#8221; to explain how, despite the tenuous nature of the words, some sort of constitution still stands, like the &#8220;Star Spangled Banner&#8221; itself. And, so, I agree &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;We are America.  We are strong because of our ability to act together, to produce and follow leaders.  We are strong due to our openness to other cultures and ability to assimilate their best aspects.  We are strong due to our ability to adapt to new circumstances, to roll with defeat and carry on.  We will be what we want to be.  The coming years will reveal what that is.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Fuck, yeah!&#8221;</p>
<p>Here are two challenges the genius of American constitutionalism must overcome:</p>
<p><b>Restoring balance and modesty between three engorged branches of the federal government:</b> I think that President Obama is doing that with a degree of patience some on his left find frustrating but that I consider astute, especially in its distinctly military dimension.</p>
<p><b>Re-scaling public and private enterprise to reflect micro-economic realities and modular technologies:</b> This will take a very different financial regime and industrial policy from those that the Anglo-American overclass and the Soviet <i>nomenklatura</i> &#8220;converged&#8221; on during the Great, World, and Cold Wars. My party is uniquely qualified to do this today, but I doubt that my generation of Democrats is up to the task.</p>
<p>Finally, let me say I very much appreciate contributions in the Boyd tradition and other even more timely insights uniquely available on D-N-I, thanks to Chet, MaxFab, and that Hohenzollern/Hapsburg guy-who-does-not-read-email. </p>
<p>John Robert BEHRMAN<br />
State Committeeman, SD-13<br />
Texas Democratic Party<br />
<em><br />
[CR:  John -- many thanks!  I'm not nearly as optimistic, so I sincerely hope you are right.]</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Is the Constitution dead? by Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on resignations and why it's
practically unheard of.

M

http://www.slate.com/id/2176122/pagenum/all/

&gt;"There is a huge distinction between retiring and resigning. When officers retire, they do so with full benefits, health care, and continued membership in the fraternity of military officers. When they resign, they give up all of that."
"This is why no U.S. general has resigned in more than 40 years—and the last one to do so later asked, without success, for reinstatement."

&lt;em&gt;[CR:  I would have settled for mass retirements.  I did retire, but it was because I had reached my mandatory separation date, in my case, at 30 years commissioned service.]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on resignations and why it&#8217;s<br />
practically unheard of.</p>
<p>M</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2176122/pagenum/all/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2176122/pagenum/all/</a></p>
<p>&gt;&#8221;There is a huge distinction between retiring and resigning. When officers retire, they do so with full benefits, health care, and continued membership in the fraternity of military officers. When they resign, they give up all of that.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;This is why no U.S. general has resigned in more than 40 years—and the last one to do so later asked, without success, for reinstatement.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>[CR:  I would have settled for mass retirements.  I did retire, but it was because I had reached my mandatory separation date, in my case, at 30 years commissioned service.]</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Is the Constitution dead? by Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"resigning en masse would have been one response. Few of us, myself included, took it. Point is, for the most part, we did nothing."

Interesting analysis;

http://www.counterpunch.org/smith04142006.html

It turns out that, The Military "bussiness"  isn't really any different form ANY other bussiness in the US of A.

M

&lt;em&gt;[CR:  That, perhaps, is the point.]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;resigning en masse would have been one response. Few of us, myself included, took it. Point is, for the most part, we did nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting analysis;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/smith04142006.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/smith04142006.html</a></p>
<p>It turns out that, The Military &#8220;bussiness&#8221;  isn&#8217;t really any different form ANY other bussiness in the US of A.</p>
<p>M</p>
<p><em>[CR:  That, perhaps, is the point.]</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Is the Constitution dead? by seydlitz89</title>
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		<dc:creator>seydlitz89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chet-

Hope you're enjoying your summer.  Couldn't resist responding to this.

&lt;em&gt;[CR:  Indeed.  I hope all is well in Germany.  

Your first point falls into the category of Clausewitizian esoterica, which is, unfortunately, not a subject we treat on this blog.  Interested readers are referred to your new blog, below]&lt;/em&gt;

I have also never read van Creveld use the term "4GW" so how can you equate it with his "non-trinitarian warfare" since van Creveld also rejects "axiomatic theory" which is what 4GW attempts to be?

&lt;em&gt;[CR:  Well, for one thing, van Creveld himself has stated that the concepts are equivalent but that he preferred the term "non-trinitarian." So apparently there is more to 4GW than an "axiomatic theory." You might want to look into this.  I  documented van Creveld's remark in my book &lt;/em&gt;Neither Shall the Sword.&lt;em&gt;

I took the liberty of deleting the next paragraph for violation of our &lt;a href="http://www.d-n-i.net/dni/comment-policy/" rel="nofollow"&gt;comment policy&lt;/a&gt;. Knew you wouldn't mind.]&lt;/em&gt;

As to the US Constitution being "dead", it would be dead from my perspective once people in government no longer use it to orient their government duties, but rather use mechanisms to subvert that duty as defined by the constitution.  As to the guilt for its demise?  That would rest with our political elite and the responsibility of officers would be to resign in protest and for citizens to demonstrate their dissatisfaction &#8230; 

&lt;em&gt;[CR:  Excellent point, and resigning en masse would have been one response. Few of us, myself included, took it.  Point is, for the most part, we did nothing.  For those interested in pursuing the connection between the military and the Constitution in the context of 4GW, I suggest starting with Mike Wyly's "&lt;a href="http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/wyly_4gw.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Fourth Generation Warfare: What Does It Mean To Every Marine?&lt;/a&gt;."]&lt;/em&gt;

BTW, I'm on a blog now . . . 

http://milpubblog.blogspot.com/

Come by and have a look &#8230;

&lt;em&gt;[CR:  Congrats!  Good luck with it.]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chet-</p>
<p>Hope you&#8217;re enjoying your summer.  Couldn&#8217;t resist responding to this.</p>
<p><em>[CR:  Indeed.  I hope all is well in Germany.  </p>
<p>Your first point falls into the category of Clausewitizian esoterica, which is, unfortunately, not a subject we treat on this blog.  Interested readers are referred to your new blog, below]</em></p>
<p>I have also never read van Creveld use the term &#8220;4GW&#8221; so how can you equate it with his &#8220;non-trinitarian warfare&#8221; since van Creveld also rejects &#8220;axiomatic theory&#8221; which is what 4GW attempts to be?</p>
<p><em>[CR:  Well, for one thing, van Creveld himself has stated that the concepts are equivalent but that he preferred the term "non-trinitarian." So apparently there is more to 4GW than an "axiomatic theory." You might want to look into this.  I  documented van Creveld's remark in my book </em>Neither Shall the Sword.<em></p>
<p>I took the liberty of deleting the next paragraph for violation of our <a href="http://www.d-n-i.net/dni/comment-policy/" rel="nofollow">comment policy</a>. Knew you wouldn't mind.]</em></p>
<p>As to the US Constitution being &#8220;dead&#8221;, it would be dead from my perspective once people in government no longer use it to orient their government duties, but rather use mechanisms to subvert that duty as defined by the constitution.  As to the guilt for its demise?  That would rest with our political elite and the responsibility of officers would be to resign in protest and for citizens to demonstrate their dissatisfaction &hellip; </p>
<p><em>[CR:  Excellent point, and resigning en masse would have been one response. Few of us, myself included, took it.  Point is, for the most part, we did nothing.  For those interested in pursuing the connection between the military and the Constitution in the context of 4GW, I suggest starting with Mike Wyly's "<a href="http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/wyly_4gw.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Fourth Generation Warfare: What Does It Mean To Every Marine?</a>."]</em></p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;m on a blog now . . . </p>
<p><a href="http://milpubblog.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://milpubblog.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Come by and have a look &hellip;</p>
<p><em>[CR:  Congrats!  Good luck with it.]</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Insurgencies usually lose by Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
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		<description>DK

"according to some criteria, the surge has “worked” and at least Al Qaeda has been “defeated.”"

Agreed that is the popularised line.

Let's explore further and for clarity.

Chet mentions the term "Pyrrhic victory"

Winning battles,  yet losing yet another war,  despite overwhelming
advatage,  at least on paper,  as previously demonstrated  in SE Asia.

Yet many delude themselves otherwize,  but that dosn't make it so.

Try this 'criteria'  though;

The American standard of living,  the economy, since 9-11,  or even 2000.  Including mobility,  and civil rights.
How do you feel ?  More confident ?

"So who has “won”?"

Indeed,  and who's losing !

The plan from the get go,  was not to confront and try to bring down
the remaining wold super power in one fell swoop,  but to prompt
hyperbolic over reaction,  based on fear,  and bleed it white.

MaX

&lt;em&gt;[CR:  From what little we know, Osama bin Laden encouraged people to go to Iraq in order to kill Americans.  This they did.  I've seen no evidence, other than in the fetid imaginations of the neocon press, that al-Qa'ida ever intended to take over Iraq or occupy any part of it for any significant length of time.  Osama is not stupid and underestimating him is not likely to be a productive strategy.  He knew full well that the country is roughly 60% Shi'ite Arab, who are not susceptible to his brand of austere Sunni Islam, 20% Kurd from whom he might get a few converts but whose existing political structure was going to be difficult for his largely Arab organization to displace, and 20% Sunni Arab.  Although these were his likely targets, many of them were (and still are) relatively secular or even Ba'athists.  

So as a rough guess, he could recruit from maybe 10% of the population.  As it turned out, he probably didn't get very many of them because many if not most of the people who fought under the label of "al-Qa'ida" were non-Iraqis (al-Zarqawi was Jordanian, for example).  The ones that survived got valuable training, invaluable operational experience, and a strong network.  Where did they go?  I don't know, but I'm sure that someday we're going to find out.]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DK</p>
<p>&#8220;according to some criteria, the surge has “worked” and at least Al Qaeda has been “defeated.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed that is the popularised line.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s explore further and for clarity.</p>
<p>Chet mentions the term &#8220;Pyrrhic victory&#8221;</p>
<p>Winning battles,  yet losing yet another war,  despite overwhelming<br />
advatage,  at least on paper,  as previously demonstrated  in SE Asia.</p>
<p>Yet many delude themselves otherwize,  but that dosn&#8217;t make it so.</p>
<p>Try this &#8216;criteria&#8217;  though;</p>
<p>The American standard of living,  the economy, since 9-11,  or even 2000.  Including mobility,  and civil rights.<br />
How do you feel ?  More confident ?</p>
<p>&#8220;So who has “won”?&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed,  and who&#8217;s losing !</p>
<p>The plan from the get go,  was not to confront and try to bring down<br />
the remaining wold super power in one fell swoop,  but to prompt<br />
hyperbolic over reaction,  based on fear,  and bleed it white.</p>
<p>MaX</p>
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		<description>"the fact that a lot of insurgencies succeed, and those against occupiers succeed pretty often, should have factored into our national decision-making."

Also, Saddam Hussein was a counter-balance against the Iranians and a counter-balance against Islamic fundamentalists - including Al Qaeda. For this reason alone overthrowing Saddam Hussein weakened United States national security - not strenghthened it. I have said this before and I say it again - overthrowing Saddam Hussein is one of the stupidest things the United States of America has done in its 200-plus-year history.</description>
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<p>Also, Saddam Hussein was a counter-balance against the Iranians and a counter-balance against Islamic fundamentalists - including Al Qaeda. For this reason alone overthrowing Saddam Hussein weakened United States national security - not strenghthened it. I have said this before and I say it again - overthrowing Saddam Hussein is one of the stupidest things the United States of America has done in its 200-plus-year history.</p>
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